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		<title>By: Britney Cannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britney Cannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;When we only see 1/3 &#124; The Thinking Stick http://tinyurl.com/ykzvw4a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">When we only see 1/3 | The Thinking Stick <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ykzvw4a" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ykzvw4a</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Sinclair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Sinclair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dean Groom,

Your comments are good but you lazily fall into the false dichotomy of hip new &quot;engaging&quot; teachers vs staid old &quot;boring&quot; teachers.  While I love using technology in the classroom, and like getting students to use it where I can, I&#039;d like to defend the honour of teachers who don&#039;t like technology but still manage to engage their students through old-fashioned teaching skill, enthusiasm, etc.  For students&#039; sake, I need to learn more from them about general teaching skill than they need to learn from me about technology.

Although I&#039;m very digitally literate (I was a computer programmer before becoming a teacher), I think talk of 21st century literacy and new curriculum is overblown.  Education has advanced quite well for hundreds of years by gradual evolution.  The skills students need to learn are much broader than anything to do with technology.  Yes, schools should teach students to use computers and the Internet effectively, and should acknowledge the new reality we find ourselves in with easy access to information.  But that doesn&#039;t mean &quot;tech&quot; stuff needs to be inseminated in everything we do.

Finally, &quot;Classroom 2.0&quot; (whatever that is) and &quot;Project Based Learning&quot; are completely orthogonal.  PBL has been around in various guises for ages, but only in isolated schools/classrooms where the educational will was there.  PBL is an educational thing, not a technical thing.  Good on you for championing innovative educational practices, but all such things are niche activities, and all the technology in the world won&#039;t change that.  Nor will all the tech-trained teachers in the world.  Such teachers would still work within a system that typically demands a certain amount of content gets taught in a certain time.

So yes, let&#039;s see changes to curriculum, but evolution not revolution please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dean Groom,</p>
<p>Your comments are good but you lazily fall into the false dichotomy of hip new &#8220;engaging&#8221; teachers vs staid old &#8220;boring&#8221; teachers.  While I love using technology in the classroom, and like getting students to use it where I can, I&#8217;d like to defend the honour of teachers who don&#8217;t like technology but still manage to engage their students through old-fashioned teaching skill, enthusiasm, etc.  For students&#8217; sake, I need to learn more from them about general teaching skill than they need to learn from me about technology.</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;m very digitally literate (I was a computer programmer before becoming a teacher), I think talk of 21st century literacy and new curriculum is overblown.  Education has advanced quite well for hundreds of years by gradual evolution.  The skills students need to learn are much broader than anything to do with technology.  Yes, schools should teach students to use computers and the Internet effectively, and should acknowledge the new reality we find ourselves in with easy access to information.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;tech&#8221; stuff needs to be inseminated in everything we do.</p>
<p>Finally, &#8220;Classroom 2.0&#8243; (whatever that is) and &#8220;Project Based Learning&#8221; are completely orthogonal.  PBL has been around in various guises for ages, but only in isolated schools/classrooms where the educational will was there.  PBL is an educational thing, not a technical thing.  Good on you for championing innovative educational practices, but all such things are niche activities, and all the technology in the world won&#8217;t change that.  Nor will all the tech-trained teachers in the world.  Such teachers would still work within a system that typically demands a certain amount of content gets taught in a certain time.</p>
<p>So yes, let&#8217;s see changes to curriculum, but evolution not revolution please.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Groom</title>
		<link>http://www.thethinkingstick.com/when-we-only-see-13/comment-page-1#comment-26312</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Groom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If 10% of teachers are engaging learner is &#039;just in time&#039;, collaborative, Classroom 2.0 activities, and 90% are using variations of &#039;chalk and talk&#039; with a sprinkling of powerpoint project once a term ... then kids learn that, some teachers/lessons are great and engaging, but most are the same old same thing.

So 90% of their time they are stuck in the time-warp curriculum/assessment model. So while they may want a &#039;better way&#039;, they don&#039;t see it as normal, and therefore don&#039;t take it too seriously.

Until you get to a critical mass, then Classroom 2.0 won&#039;t upset the incumbent curriculum model. Many teachers don&#039;t want to be pioneers, with the endless set backs endured. Teachers are masters of procrastination and have a tried and tested discourse about lack of PD, time, facilities etc., so the pioneers (who know that it works better, takes less time and gets better results) simply have this wall of resistance to battle daily.

In my school, we went Classroom 2.0 in one year group through Project based learning. We are now in week 5. Students now complain that their &#039;maths&#039; lessons are boring - they like the project based learning model that they are doing 90% of the time now. This obviously pressures Maths, at it opted out of the PBL model saying it was too hard to integrate.

To my mind, the only way at present to get the curriculum updated (or even have digital literacy on the agenda) is that get as many kids doing as much as they can in ways that baffle their regular teacher.

It is amazing to see in 5 weeks how student behaviour, effort and application has radically changed. Maybe it is the honeymoon period, but we are seeing new motivation and new creativity - which is leading them to question the validity of &#039;traditional&#039; classrooms.

I have been advocating a formal whole school &#039;digital literacy&#039; standard for a while. But the curriculum seems to be the holy grail of documents, and no one seems to want to start messing with the &#039;mother of all documents&#039;.

Its all good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If 10% of teachers are engaging learner is &#8216;just in time&#8217;, collaborative, Classroom 2.0 activities, and 90% are using variations of &#8216;chalk and talk&#8217; with a sprinkling of powerpoint project once a term &#8230; then kids learn that, some teachers/lessons are great and engaging, but most are the same old same thing.</p>
<p>So 90% of their time they are stuck in the time-warp curriculum/assessment model. So while they may want a &#8216;better way&#8217;, they don&#8217;t see it as normal, and therefore don&#8217;t take it too seriously.</p>
<p>Until you get to a critical mass, then Classroom 2.0 won&#8217;t upset the incumbent curriculum model. Many teachers don&#8217;t want to be pioneers, with the endless set backs endured. Teachers are masters of procrastination and have a tried and tested discourse about lack of PD, time, facilities etc., so the pioneers (who know that it works better, takes less time and gets better results) simply have this wall of resistance to battle daily.</p>
<p>In my school, we went Classroom 2.0 in one year group through Project based learning. We are now in week 5. Students now complain that their &#8216;maths&#8217; lessons are boring &#8211; they like the project based learning model that they are doing 90% of the time now. This obviously pressures Maths, at it opted out of the PBL model saying it was too hard to integrate.</p>
<p>To my mind, the only way at present to get the curriculum updated (or even have digital literacy on the agenda) is that get as many kids doing as much as they can in ways that baffle their regular teacher.</p>
<p>It is amazing to see in 5 weeks how student behaviour, effort and application has radically changed. Maybe it is the honeymoon period, but we are seeing new motivation and new creativity &#8211; which is leading them to question the validity of &#8216;traditional&#8217; classrooms.</p>
<p>I have been advocating a formal whole school &#8216;digital literacy&#8217; standard for a while. But the curriculum seems to be the holy grail of documents, and no one seems to want to start messing with the &#8216;mother of all documents&#8217;.</p>
<p>Its all good.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Betcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Betcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;And the first Blogpost of the Week to be shared with my school staff is Jeff Utecht&#039;s http://www.thethinkingstick.com/?p=629&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">And the first Blogpost of the Week to be shared with my school staff is Jeff Utecht&#8217;s <a href="http://www.thethinkingstick.com/?p=629" rel="nofollow">http://www.thethinkingstick.com/?p=629</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Brittney Ghezzi</title>
		<link>http://www.thethinkingstick.com/when-we-only-see-13/comment-page-1#comment-26292</link>
		<dc:creator>Brittney Ghezzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Utech,
	My name is Brittney Ghezzi, I am currently a student at Illinois State University with a major in Family &amp; Consumer Science Education. This blog caught my eye for several different reasons I feel I can relate to. I hope as a future educator I can teach my students to see the whole picture, and that is always something I have wanted. I think it is not only about the curriculum we are given to teach but also about how we can expand it ourselves and still meet the necessary standards. In the role of an FCS teacher we are taught to teach a lot of hands-on activities, as well as technology enhanced projects. Technology is the new way of learning and that is truly looked past as we don’t even acknowledge it in most of our curriculums. I hope that one day I can teach my students to utilize all that they have, hopefully technology included. I want them to walk away with not only knowledge from the course but true life skills that they may hold forever. 

Brittney Ghezzi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Utech,<br />
	My name is Brittney Ghezzi, I am currently a student at Illinois State University with a major in Family &amp; Consumer Science Education. This blog caught my eye for several different reasons I feel I can relate to. I hope as a future educator I can teach my students to see the whole picture, and that is always something I have wanted. I think it is not only about the curriculum we are given to teach but also about how we can expand it ourselves and still meet the necessary standards. In the role of an FCS teacher we are taught to teach a lot of hands-on activities, as well as technology enhanced projects. Technology is the new way of learning and that is truly looked past as we don’t even acknowledge it in most of our curriculums. I hope that one day I can teach my students to utilize all that they have, hopefully technology included. I want them to walk away with not only knowledge from the course but true life skills that they may hold forever. </p>
<p>Brittney Ghezzi</p>
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		<title>By: Reece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,
You talk a lot about tech being something that &quot;we just do&quot; rather than thinking of it as a seperate subject area.  If that&#039;s the case, why embed the student NETS standards into all curricular areas.  If using tech should be something that teachers and students do automatically, wouldn&#039;t it make more sense to use the Teacher NETS standards as a way to measure teaching pedogody?  Should IT really redefine all other student curriculum?  I&#039;m sure English teachers have been saying for years that all subject areas should be using their standards because students use or should be using writing skills in all subject areas.  A similar argument could be made for math and perhaps is.  So why hasn&#039;t/isn&#039;t it being done this way?
If we embed NETS standards within everyone&#039;s curriculum, are we setting unrealistic goals for our students?  Could we assess every standard in a meaningful way within each academic school year?  Would schools want to assess each standard in every subject ever year?  After all, how many teachers feel like they actually cover the entire curriculum they are already responsible for?  
And if students are already &quot;immigrants&quot; do we really need to rehash it with them.  High School students don&#039;t review adding and subtracting in their math classes (I don&#039;t think) or in their science classes.
I know one approach might be to assign/align certain NETS standards to certain subject areas but what happens when none of the departments whats/feels they should be responsible for a particular standard?
These are all things I&#039;m facing while trying to set up a truely integrated model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,<br />
You talk a lot about tech being something that &#8220;we just do&#8221; rather than thinking of it as a seperate subject area.  If that&#8217;s the case, why embed the student NETS standards into all curricular areas.  If using tech should be something that teachers and students do automatically, wouldn&#8217;t it make more sense to use the Teacher NETS standards as a way to measure teaching pedogody?  Should IT really redefine all other student curriculum?  I&#8217;m sure English teachers have been saying for years that all subject areas should be using their standards because students use or should be using writing skills in all subject areas.  A similar argument could be made for math and perhaps is.  So why hasn&#8217;t/isn&#8217;t it being done this way?<br />
If we embed NETS standards within everyone&#8217;s curriculum, are we setting unrealistic goals for our students?  Could we assess every standard in a meaningful way within each academic school year?  Would schools want to assess each standard in every subject ever year?  After all, how many teachers feel like they actually cover the entire curriculum they are already responsible for?<br />
And if students are already &#8220;immigrants&#8221; do we really need to rehash it with them.  High School students don&#8217;t review adding and subtracting in their math classes (I don&#8217;t think) or in their science classes.<br />
I know one approach might be to assign/align certain NETS standards to certain subject areas but what happens when none of the departments whats/feels they should be responsible for a particular standard?<br />
These are all things I&#8217;m facing while trying to set up a truely integrated model.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.thethinkingstick.com/when-we-only-see-13/comment-page-1#comment-26237</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 02:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your view on schools and that we as a society refuse to look at the other aspects influencing our school systems.  In an age where the common opinion of this system is one of failure, it is time to take dramatic measures to change this system. In order to make students and society more productive we must not look at how the information is taught, but also look at what is being taught.  School curriculum, in my opinion, is not keeping pace with the changing world we live in.  Ideas and progress come from those willing to due things differently than that of the norm.  I think the current âcultureâ is to use new technology with an old fashion approach.  Instead of schools changing the curriculum to fit these technological advances, they are using the technology to fit their old styles of teaching and curriculum. This is only one area where culture is failing, but a significant one. We must look beyond the obvious problems with our school systems and realize that technology alone will not improve education. With schools being a government run function of society there are many groups involved in the learning process and they must all be addressed equally. These groups must also work together to achieve a common goal and not fight each other to achieve their own goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your view on schools and that we as a society refuse to look at the other aspects influencing our school systems.  In an age where the common opinion of this system is one of failure, it is time to take dramatic measures to change this system. In order to make students and society more productive we must not look at how the information is taught, but also look at what is being taught.  School curriculum, in my opinion, is not keeping pace with the changing world we live in.  Ideas and progress come from those willing to due things differently than that of the norm.  I think the current âcultureâ is to use new technology with an old fashion approach.  Instead of schools changing the curriculum to fit these technological advances, they are using the technology to fit their old styles of teaching and curriculum. This is only one area where culture is failing, but a significant one. We must look beyond the obvious problems with our school systems and realize that technology alone will not improve education. With schools being a government run function of society there are many groups involved in the learning process and they must all be addressed equally. These groups must also work together to achieve a common goal and not fight each other to achieve their own goals.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Harter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Harter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, thanks for linking to our &lt;a href=&quot;http://newliteracy.wikispaces.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new literacy curriculum&lt;/a&gt;.  As you know, &lt;a href=&quot;http://medagogy.edublogs.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Justin&lt;/a&gt; and I have been posting about our thinking and our process in its development as guest bloggers on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dangerouslyirrelevant.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dangerously Irrelevant&lt;/a&gt;.

That site and links like you have made here are bound to increase our audience and the amount of feedback that we get on it.  Ultimately, we like what we are doing and would love to have it influence other schools, but also have people critical friend it.

The next step:  how do we make it truly happen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, thanks for linking to our <a href="http://newliteracy.wikispaces.com/" rel="nofollow">new literacy curriculum</a>.  As you know, <a href="http://medagogy.edublogs.org" rel="nofollow">Justin</a> and I have been posting about our thinking and our process in its development as guest bloggers on <a href="http://www.dangerouslyirrelevant.org/" rel="nofollow">Dangerously Irrelevant</a>.</p>
<p>That site and links like you have made here are bound to increase our audience and the amount of feedback that we get on it.  Ultimately, we like what we are doing and would love to have it influence other schools, but also have people critical friend it.</p>
<p>The next step:  how do we make it truly happen?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Utecht</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Utecht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Stephen for pointing out my mistake and thank you to Allanahk for the links and clarification. I actually got the 1/3 number after watching the discovery show &quot;Iceberg Cowbodys&quot; last weekend where they mention the 1/3 number.

http://www.discoverychannel.com.au/iceberg_cowboys/index.shtml

I also remember learning about 1/3 in school as well. There you go, that&#039;s what I get for relying on old information. My mistake and thanks for the learning opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Stephen for pointing out my mistake and thank you to Allanahk for the links and clarification. I actually got the 1/3 number after watching the discovery show &#8220;Iceberg Cowbodys&#8221; last weekend where they mention the 1/3 number.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.discoverychannel.com.au/iceberg_cowboys/index.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.discoverychannel.com.au/iceberg_cowboys/index.shtml</a></p>
<p>I also remember learning about 1/3 in school as well. There you go, that&#8217;s what I get for relying on old information. My mistake and thanks for the learning opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: sinikka</title>
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		<dc:creator>sinikka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irrespective of exactly how much of an iceberg can be seen above water :) I keep wondering what is a teacher to do if they find themselves being about the only one in their school who is at all concerned about what lies beneath the surface? It is sure getting dark and cold where I am trying to shift things! Should I just follow your example, Jeff, and start looking for a new, hopefully more supportive, school??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irrespective of exactly how much of an iceberg can be seen above water <img src='http://www.thethinkingstick.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I keep wondering what is a teacher to do if they find themselves being about the only one in their school who is at all concerned about what lies beneath the surface? It is sure getting dark and cold where I am trying to shift things! Should I just follow your example, Jeff, and start looking for a new, hopefully more supportive, school??</p>
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