Comments on: How fine is the line between socialization and social learning http://www.thethinkingstick.com/how-fine-is-the-line-between-socialization-and-social-learning/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=how-fine-is-the-line-between-socialization-and-social-learning Educator Consultant Author Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:34:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Leila Page http://www.thethinkingstick.com/how-fine-is-the-line-between-socialization-and-social-learning/#comment-4347 Leila Page Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:30:14 +0000 http://www.thethinkingstick.com/?p=975#comment-4347 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">How fine is the line between socialization and social learning... http://tinyurl.com/ygge832</span></span> How fine is the line between socialization and social learning… http://tinyurl.com/ygge832

]]> By: AB Library Trustees http://www.thethinkingstick.com/how-fine-is-the-line-between-socialization-and-social-learning/#comment-4348 AB Library Trustees Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:02:31 +0000 http://www.thethinkingstick.com/?p=975#comment-4348 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @oldslibrary Library spaces of the future? Thoughts? http://bit.ly/RMYkU</span></span> RT @oldslibrary Library spaces of the future? Thoughts? http://bit.ly/RMYkU

]]> By: Olds Library http://www.thethinkingstick.com/how-fine-is-the-line-between-socialization-and-social-learning/#comment-4349 Olds Library Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:28:08 +0000 http://www.thethinkingstick.com/?p=975#comment-4349 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Library spaces of the future? Thoughts? http://bit.ly/RMYkU</span></span> Library spaces of the future? Thoughts? http://bit.ly/RMYkU

]]> By: Penny Lindballe http://www.thethinkingstick.com/how-fine-is-the-line-between-socialization-and-social-learning/#comment-4350 Penny Lindballe Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:08:08 +0000 http://www.thethinkingstick.com/?p=975#comment-4350 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">would like to see public libraries think this way too! http://tinyurl.com/nwwkcb</span></span> would like to see public libraries think this way too! http://tinyurl.com/nwwkcb

]]> By: We Are Teachers http://www.thethinkingstick.com/how-fine-is-the-line-between-socialization-and-social-learning/#comment-4351 We Are Teachers Wed, 27 May 2009 05:21:25 +0000 http://www.thethinkingstick.com/?p=975#comment-4351 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@jutecht erasing fine line btween socialization and social lrning http://twurl.nl/herpo2</span></span> @jutecht erasing fine line btween socialization and social lrning http://twurl.nl/herpo2

]]> By: coletteamber http://www.thethinkingstick.com/how-fine-is-the-line-between-socialization-and-social-learning/#comment-4352 coletteamber Wed, 20 May 2009 08:54:53 +0000 http://www.thethinkingstick.com/?p=975#comment-4352 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Reading: "How fine is the line between socialization and social learning « The Thinking Stick" ( http://tinyurl.com/o7fb6h )</span></span> Reading: "How fine is the line between socialization and social learning « The Thinking Stick" ( http://tinyurl.com/o7fb6h )

]]> By: tsakshaug http://www.thethinkingstick.com/how-fine-is-the-line-between-socialization-and-social-learning/#comment-4346 tsakshaug Tue, 19 May 2009 17:13:47 +0000 http://www.thethinkingstick.com/?p=975#comment-4346 It would be nice for us to move from the "Book museum" library that some schools seem to have and open the library up more to students to work together. Back in the olden days, when I was in school, we had the library split up into various areas, formal and informal, students could check out a conference room to work in, and EATING WAS ALLOWED in some areas. Learning took place, as with anywhere, some would abuse the privilege, and be asked to leave. The library was a comfortable place to learn and work with others, or just to hang out and talk-in the appropriate area. Some districts I have worked in, the library is only open during class hours, not before or after school. Study hall students need to have a pass from an academic teacher with a specific thing listed the student is allowed to do. Several libraries have not been welcoming places, but a place to store books. I agree we need to make them comfortable, and have areas that are for specific activities. This is a great workable model. It would be nice for us to move from the “Book museum” library that some schools seem to have and open the library up more to students to work together. Back in the olden days, when I was in school, we had the library split up into various areas, formal and informal, students could check out a conference room to work in, and EATING WAS ALLOWED in some areas. Learning took place, as with anywhere, some would abuse the privilege, and be asked to leave. The library was a comfortable place to learn and work with others, or just to hang out and talk-in the appropriate area. Some districts I have worked in, the library is only open during class hours, not before or after school. Study hall students need to have a pass from an academic teacher with a specific thing listed the student is allowed to do. Several libraries have not been welcoming places, but a place to store books.
I agree we need to make them comfortable, and have areas that are for specific activities. This is a great workable model.

]]> By: Sarah Clover http://www.thethinkingstick.com/how-fine-is-the-line-between-socialization-and-social-learning/#comment-4345 Sarah Clover Tue, 19 May 2009 08:21:32 +0000 http://www.thethinkingstick.com/?p=975#comment-4345 It is great that Dough Johnson and Ann Krembs are putting together the findings from all constituencies in the school before making final decisions about a learning space (the library). As we guide our students toward their futures at life long learners it’s important that we not blur the lines between productive collaboration, socialization and pure distraction. I use my own department as case in point, we have a common workroom where we find teachers planning lessons, meeting with teams, conferencing with students and doing some light grading. At times someone will make a comment or share information that we then all engage in a productive discussion that leads to learning. BUT… when we really want to grade exams, projects or papers that takes the highest level of concentration and critical thought… we seek a space without distraction. Even in Social Learning Theory (Bandura, 1977) research shows that anything that “distracts” your attention will have a negative effect on learning. In fact, recent research at MIT and the University of Michigan shows that true multi-tasking is impossible. Though, we can prioritize and switch between two tasks we cannot do two things at once. Case in point, you know the people that annoy you by talking during the movie, they’re not watching the movie. There’s a reason why it’s often illegal to use your cell phone and drive at the same time. In addition, research shows that any detraction from attention has a negative effect on retention. My point isn’t that we should have no social aspect to the library, but that the spaces for individual work, productive collaboration, socialization and pure distraction should have boundaries. Helping our students to understand when each space might serve a particular purpose is our job. Design is important, take the “Open Plan Schools” (classrooms without walls, etc.) created in the 60’s and 70’s—once they were in place, the first steps taken were generally to divide the common spaces and install acoustical barriers to limit the distractions. Whatever 21st century learning is (and that is hotly debated) there is no doubt that to achieve positive outcomes, our students need to be able to concentrate. The design of the library should enhance their ability to do so. It is great that Dough Johnson and Ann Krembs are putting together the findings from all constituencies in the school before making final decisions about a learning space (the library). As we guide our students toward their futures at life long learners it’s important that we not blur the lines between productive collaboration, socialization and pure distraction.

I use my own department as case in point, we have a common workroom where we find teachers planning lessons, meeting with teams, conferencing with students and doing some light grading. At times someone will make a comment or share information that we then all engage in a productive discussion that leads to learning. BUT… when we really want to grade exams, projects or papers that takes the highest level of concentration and critical thought… we seek a space without distraction.

Even in Social Learning Theory (Bandura, 1977) research shows that anything that “distracts” your attention will have a negative effect on learning. In fact, recent research at MIT and the University of Michigan shows that true multi-tasking is impossible. Though, we can prioritize and switch between two tasks we cannot do two things at once. Case in point, you know the people that annoy you by talking during the movie, they’re not watching the movie. There’s a reason why it’s often illegal to use your cell phone and drive at the same time. In addition, research shows that any detraction from attention has a negative effect on retention.

My point isn’t that we should have no social aspect to the library, but that the spaces for individual work, productive collaboration, socialization and pure distraction should have boundaries. Helping our students to understand when each space might serve a particular purpose is our job. Design is important, take the “Open Plan Schools” (classrooms without walls, etc.) created in the 60’s and 70’s—once they were in place, the first steps taken were generally to divide the common spaces and install acoustical barriers to limit the distractions.

Whatever 21st century learning is (and that is hotly debated) there is no doubt that to achieve positive outcomes, our students need to be able to concentrate. The design of the library should enhance their ability to do so.

]]> By: b http://www.thethinkingstick.com/how-fine-is-the-line-between-socialization-and-social-learning/#comment-4344 b Mon, 18 May 2009 02:18:02 +0000 http://www.thethinkingstick.com/?p=975#comment-4344 Jeff, I loved this idea. If only the culture in schools allowed for your vision. I saw a student today studying at our local New Season Grocery. He was seated in the deli eating area. He looked so at home and comfortable. Wow...what a concept. b Jeff, I loved this idea. If only the culture in schools allowed for your vision.

I saw a student today studying at our local New Season Grocery. He was seated in the deli eating area. He looked so at home and comfortable. Wow…what a concept.

b

]]> By: Alicia Lewis http://www.thethinkingstick.com/how-fine-is-the-line-between-socialization-and-social-learning/#comment-4343 Alicia Lewis Sat, 16 May 2009 19:11:07 +0000 http://www.thethinkingstick.com/?p=975#comment-4343 I remember being on the "design team" for a new elementary in the late 90s. The design consultant we hired had us dream and all (except the librarian) had this vision and embedded it into an open learning spaces throughout. Once the consultant left, the Plant Manager gave us a reality check, stood up, told us how our school would model the prototypes of other schools, and scrapped weeks worth of work. The visions are in the schools - we just need them in the eyes of the people who are given the authority to make recommendations to the Board! I remember being on the “design team” for a new elementary in the late 90s. The design consultant we hired had us dream and all (except the librarian) had this vision and embedded it into an open learning spaces throughout.

Once the consultant left, the Plant Manager gave us a reality check, stood up, told us how our school would model the prototypes of other schools, and scrapped weeks worth of work.

The visions are in the schools – we just need them in the eyes of the people who are given the authority to make recommendations to the Board!

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